The Entrepreneur Questionnaire: Nir Zuk, Founder and CTO of Palo Alto Networks

Nir Zuk is the Founder and CTO of Palo Alto Networks. The company’s next-generation firewalls provide unprecedented visibility and control over applications, users and threats. Palo Alto Networks began shipping its product line less than four years ago and today is one of the fastest growing companies in enterprise IT.

Nir Zuk, Founder and CTO, Palo Alto Networks

Describe your business in 10 words or fewer.

Reinvent the network security market, starting with the firewall.

What is the big idea behind your business?

To extend network security beyond basic web browsing and email to secure social applications such as Facebook and Twitter and enterprise/SaaS applications such as Salesforce, WebEx and SharePoint. We consolidate multiple security devices into a single, high-performance device. The approach of adding a new device every time you have a problem just doesn’t work anymore.

 How did you come up with the idea for Palo Alto Networks?

In 2004 I was working inside Juniper Networks and wondered why there had been no real innovation in the market in years—the existing firewalls were based on decade-old designs. I wanted to build the next generation product but realized it would be impossible within Juniper so I decided to do it on my own. I met with Asheem Chandna, a partner at Greylock with whom I worked with at Check Point Software, to hash out some ideas. I knew I could design and build the next generation high performance network security device, so I resigned from Juniper Networks in 2005 and raised a small seed round from Greylock and Sequoia. I worked out of Greylock’s offices and spent several months brainstorming with my investors, Asheem Chandna and Jim Goetz, and potential customers. It became clear that application control would be our main early advantage. We figured it would be a powerful incentive for our customers to replace their legacy firewalls.

Why are you excited about the future for this company?

We are grabbing share very quickly in a $10 billion market. More than 4,000 customers have rapidly adopted our solution and we are seeing very strong interest from customers across the globe. We see an open highway ahead of us.

Why did you become an entrepreneur?

I have wanted to be an entrepreneur as far back as I can remember. I started my first business when I was in the eighth grade, building and selling commercial software to automate legal offices. Early in my career, it became clear that I could build products better than my managers. I felt they were slowing me down so I decided to continue to build things myself.

What was the most difficult lesson you have learned as an entrepreneur?

Things will go wrong. You cannot expect everything to go smoothly at a startup. A million things could happen: either you screw up or your business plan is not great or the market will tank on you. You will face tough times and when that time comes, you need to have really good people around you.

What five adjectives would you use to describe yourself?

Competitive, tenacious, generous, loyal. I know this isn’t an adjective but I don’t take B.S.

What values are important to you as an entrepreneur?

-Keeping my business in the U.S.

I learned how to be an entrepreneur in the U.S. and I think it is my duty to give it back to the U.S. This includes keeping development here as opposed to China, India or anywhere else.

-Having no ego and surrounding myself with people without egos.

I’ve seen companies hire engineers with great egos and their businesses went nowhere. Someone with a big ego will do things for himself instead of the company. I don’t think there is any room for that in a successful business.

-Frugality

You can show a correlation between frugality and success of a company. Companies that spend a lot of money tend to be less successful than those that are frugal.

-Innovation

Companies rise and fall on their ability to innovate. If you stop innovating you die. For startups, it’s the only thing you have. To build a long-term, successful company you have to continue to be innovative. This has to be built into the company’s DNA from the beginning and you must innovate with each and every thing you do.

-Never compromise

You need to have a strong commitment to high quality with your product, your actions and the people you hire. You must not compromise. With hiring, a good rule of thumb is that if you find and hire people very quickly, something may be wrong with the quality of people you are hiring. Also, your early hires should demand and deserve very strong equity.

What is the best business advice you’ve ever heard?

“I’d rather have a C business plan with an A team than an A business plan with a C team.” The CEO of my previous startup said that to me once.

What is your motto?

Drive the competition out of business.

What are you passionate about?

Innovative technology.

What motivates you?

Building great technology that actually solves customer problems.

What was your first paying job?

Building software at the age of fourteen.

What do you like most about being an entrepreneur?

I really enjoy seeing customers loving what we built. I also like to see the employees who work with me being successful.

What do you like least about being an entrepreneur?

Any signs of bureaucracy or when things don’t move fast enough.

If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?

I’d like to be more tolerant of stupidity.

What do you consider your greatest achievement?

I’m most proud of my kids. Palo Alto Networks is my greatest professional achievement.

What is the last book you read?

A book about the history of biology.

What advice would you give on how to build a great business?

-Aim high

If your business plan doesn’t call for a big, sustainable business you will probably fail. If you find yourself building a business because you want to sell it for $100 million and walk away with $10 million for yourself, you will end up with a lousy $10 million company. Don’t even bother.

-Hire a great team.

Everybody says they do this but in most cases it’s not true. Commit to hiring the best people in the industry you are in. If you need someone to build a social networking company, hire the top guys from the best social networking businesses. If you are starting a networking company you need to hire the top networking guys. Otherwise how do you plan to beat those companies with your startup?

-Do all of your R&D in one building.

When you start off-shoring and outsourcing, quality goes down and you cannot act fast enough or exercise control over anything. Your engineers and management team should be based near your target market. If the U.S. is your biggest market, your engineers and management team need to be there. If your market is India or China, go there.

-Raise money from tier-one VCs.

Don’t waste your time with anyone but the top handful of VCs in the world. You may end up with a smaller equity position in the company, but it’s always better to have 10% of $1billion than 20% of zero. Focus on value creation, not small differences in early valuation.

-Don’t be greedy; share the wealth.

I don’t think an entrepreneur needs to have twenty times more equity than his early employees. If your early employees have .1% and you have 20%, that’s wrong.

If something doesn’t work, fix it immediately. This is especially true for people. If you can’t fix it, nix it.

-This interview was conducted by Erika Brown Ekiel

*Disclosure: Greylock Partners is an investor in Palo Alto Networks.

*This interview also ran on Forbes.com.

Recruiting DNA

Since coming to Greylock full time in January, I’ve been talking to a lot of people. I did that before, of course — I’ve always spent a lot of time building my network — but in this role it’s significantly more than ever before. So I’ve been talking with tons of entrepreneurs, tons of techies, tons of executives, tons of students — for a variety of reasons, including funding, recruiting for roles here at Greylock, etc.

One of the things I’ve been really, really struck by is how significant the first 4 or 5 years of a person’s career seems to be on how they think and how they approach the world. It’s typically very easy to tell if someone started their career at Google or Apple or Microsoft or Paypal or a bunch of others, even when they’re 15 years into their career and well removed from that first job. You can just see it in the way they approach problems. These are gross simplifications and overgeneralizations, but Googlers tend to think about things in a data and machine learning sort of way. Amazon folk (Amazonians?) tend to think in terms of testing and yield. And other companies that shall remain nameless are notable in that their alumni have absurdly good PowerPoint skills. (Which, sadly, is not actually a positive indicator.)

So like I say, gross oversimplifications and gross generalizations, but you really can tell a lot about where a person started their career by how they act and think about things. (And I guess others have had this insight about organizational imprinting before — here’s an HBS study and here’s what Diego wrote about his early time at HP a few weeks back.)

Since I was in Austin this week, where I started my career at Trilogy, I reflected some on how I was imprinted by being there — and for all the weird, screwed up world views I developed there (and believe me, it was like 90% screwed up world view), the thing that imprinted most is an insane focus on recruiting insanely talented people. As a company, we were relentless about getting the smartest, most driven, most talented people we could. We were a tiny company, but going toe to toe with giants in on campus recruiting, for example — and I think we were probably about the best tech company at recruiting anywhere in the US in the mid-90s.

So thank goodness I went to Trilogy, because that intense focus on recruiting at all levels, getting ridiculously talented people to work with and getting out of their way — that’s something that’s been absolutely critical and foundational for me my whole career. When I tell people I worked at Trilogy, most people today don’t know what that is, even. But I’m very happy to trade off a brand name on the resume for getting recruiting into my DNA in a fundamental way. It changed everything.

–John

John Lilly is a venture partner at Greylock Partners and former CEO of Mozilla.

Why We Invested in Typesafe: Modern Applications Demand Modern Tools

About once a decade, the tech industry experiences a fundamental shift in the way software is built and delivered. From batch jobs running on mainframes to applications running on PCs, and then on to Web-based and mobile apps, we’ve all lived through these shifts firsthand.  Most are driven by disruptive changes in hardware coupled with new kinds of applications.

Today, the tech industry once again finds itself staring down the barrel of two related secular trends: the arrival of massively multicore commodity processors and the unprecedented scale of cloud computing applications. Programmers know intuitively that this shift is happening, and they are already feeling the pain of trying to apply their old tools in this new world. Now that every programmer must be a parallel programmer, we need to embrace new models for building software that reflect this reality. Enter Typesafe.

This morning Greylock Partners announced a $3 million Series A investment in Typesafe, the Scala company. Founded by Martin Odersky, the creator of the Scala programming language, and Jonas Bonér, the creator of the Akka middleware project, Typesafe integrates Scala, Akka and developer tools to simplify and modernize software development.

If you were to take the lid off of the datacenter of every large company in the world, you might be surprised to discover that the most demanding systems are those that run some of the friendliest consumer businesses: Facebook, Zynga, Twitter and the like. Web sites that serve up games about farm animals or photos of your buddies from college may seem like fun and games, but serving up billions of unique interactions a day across hundreds of millions of consumers around the world is serious business. Many fail whales can be traced back to systems that weren’t prepared for massive scale. To improve the reliability and scalability of its service, Twitter became an early adopter of Scala. Many others, including LinkedIn and Foursquare, have followed suit.

Our old friend Moore’s Law holds that the number of transistors on a CPU doubles every two years. In the past, that meant more gigahertz, but we’ve now reached the physical limits of clock speed. So from now on, those transistors, still delivered by Moore’s Law, go towards additional CPU cores that run software applications in parallel. As a result, we are on the verge of having hundreds and then thousands of cores in our mainstream processors. And as any self-aware programmer will tell you, writing parallel software using traditional tools is hard.

For the challenge of multicore, Scala provides a better concurrent programming model that blends aspects of the object-oriented and functional programming traditions, enabling developers to be more productive while creating reliable software that scales up on multicore systems. For cloud workloads, Scala-based Akka middleware implements the actor programming model, enabling developers to write fault-tolerant software that scales out in distributed cloud environments. Scala and Akka are combined with supporting development tools in the easy-to-use Typesafe Stack.

The Typesafe Stack runs on the Java Virtual Machine and works seamlessly with existing Java environments, while rejuvenating the Java platform for modern computing architectures and workloads. With Typesafe, any Java programmer can easily take advantage of advances in multicore and cloud computing.

By giving developers the right abstractions and hiding the implementation details, Scala and Akka can make developing software a lot simpler. Typesafe provides packaging, tooling, documentation, training, and services to ease the learning curve for Scala. If you can program in Java, you can use the Typesafe Stack.

When we first met the Typesafe founders Martin and Jonas last year, their deep understanding of the fundamental challenges of modern software impressed us. And when we saw that leading companies like Twitter, LinkedIn, and Foursquare had bet their businesses on Scala, we knew that we wanted to be in business with them. We feel that the team at Typesafe – and the Scala and Akka open-source communities – are bringing developers the tools they need to create the next generation of powerful software applications.

*This post also appeared at GigaOm here.

—Bill and Donald

Bill Kaiser has spent the past 25 years in the venture capital business at Greylock after holding down real jobs at Hewlett Packard and Apollo Computer. He has invested almost exclusively in software companies selling to enterprises.

Donald Fischer is a Principal at Greylock Partners. His areas of focus include enterprise software, software-as-a-service, open source, mobile, and cloud computing.

Bill Kaiser

Donald Fischer


Seven Signs of a Customer-Focused CEO

“A man without a smiling face must not open a shop.” – Chinese proverb


The next generation of great companies will be led by CEOs who are serious about great customer service. The quality of a company’s customer service matters as much as the quality of its code. Algorithms can fail, patents can expire, but a reputation for great service endures.

The fundamental trait of the ideal Silicon Valley start-up has long been scalability. A ten-person team can build and deliver a product to ten million people, and that’s a beautiful thing. But there are times in business when you need to do things that do not scale—times when good, old-fashioned human touch is essential to address customers’ needs.

I see hundreds of new consumer Internet business presentations each year. A growing percentage of entrepreneurs are now adding “World Class Customer Service” as a bullet point in their investor presentations. It’s a buzzword of the times, perhaps inspired by the success stories of recently acquired companies such as Zappos and Diapers.com—strong businesses built on foundations of top-tier customer service. I’m hopeful that we will experience a generation of entrepreneurs who make customer service a priority. But great customer service requires more than a bullet point on a slide. It has to start with a deep understanding and commitment by the CEO.

The impact of customer service has been amplified in today’s environment. Businesses compete intensely for talent and customers, and positive and negative sentiment spread faster than ever before. Great customer service builds employee morale. Everyone wants to be proud of where they work and people are more engaged and productive if they work for a company that is committed to doing whatever it takes to consistently deliver an awesome experience for customers. Great customer service is critical for attracting repeat customers and building positive word of mouth and a respected brand.

When customer service is mishandled, the results can be tragic. Dave Carroll is a Canadian musician who decided to chronicle a real life experience of how his guitar was broken during a trip on United Airlines, and the subsequent reaction from the airline. United failed to accept responsibility and refused to pay for the damage to Carroll’s guitar.

Carroll’s resulting tribute song, “United Breaks Guitars,” became an instant hit on YouTube, and was viewed more than 10 million times. The reaction was so strong that Carroll ended up writing not one but two sequels. Trust me when I say you never, ever want your company to be named in the hook of one of this guy’s songs.

YouTube sensation "United Breaks Guitars"

“You broke it and should fix it, you might as well admit it, I should have flown with someone else or gone by car, ‘cause United breaks guitars.”

Business Insider recently published a list of 20 companies with the best customer service (yes Zappos was #1). I’ve reflected on the common practices the CEOs of these companies share, as well as my own experiences working directly with CEOs in Greylock-backed companies, to develop this list of the seven signs.

Sign #1: You don’t need an advanced degree to get in touch with customer service

Most consumer Internet sites make it nearly impossible to get in touch with a live person to address a problem. The help section is buried many links deep if you can find it at all. The customer has to fill out a form or an email and he or she is given no sense of whether or when a response may be coming.

Customer service-focused companies make the path to help more accessible, and they give the customer a choice of how to interact and get help, whether by phone, Skype, chat or email.

Go ahead and type Diapers.com into your browser. You’ll find their phone number is listed clearly on the top right section of their home page and persistently throughout the site. Even better is the page below – they actually like receiving phone calls?

Diapers.com Really Likes You

There’s a reason to like customer calls. As Tony Hsieh, founder of Zappos, wrote in his autobiographical book Delivering Happiness, only 5% of Zappos sales happen over the phone, but Zappos views each customer service contact as an opportunity to create a lasting positive memory with the customer.

Sign #2: An economically irrational obsession with details of the customer experience

Question: “What details of the customer experience are you most proud of?”

Companies that deliver a memorable customer experience usually have leaders who have an economically irrational obsession with the many composite details that make up the whole. Whenever you un-box a new Apple product, you can feel the way Steve Jobs must have personally obsessed about every beautiful detail, instead of trying to find the cheapest way to get it made. Customer-focused CEOs talk in intimate and loving detail about the specific product and experience choices that were made, and they will absolutely lose it when the details of the customer experience go awry.

“Economically irrational” decisions can turn out to be investments, when the company has the long term view in mind. I recently discussed this obsession with the customer experience with Bob Paquin, former SVP of Operations/IT at LL Bean and former COO at Blue Nile. Paquin told me about the time LL Bean was late on a canoe delivery and one of his team members strapped the canoe on the top of his car and travelled from company headquarters in Freeport, Me. to New Jersey to make a personal delivery to the customer, who was about to take off on a trip down the Delaware river.

L.L. Bean is serious about delivering great customer service

From a business perspective “no questions asked” returns and “go the extra mile” service may seem costly and irrational. However it turns out not to be a prohibitive cost because very few customers take LL Bean up on their offers of never-ending product returns or employee-expedited delivery. Customers are just happy to know that if they wanted to, they could.

An obsession with small details extends beyond getting the basics right. The personality of the CEO, and the company, should come through in small but important touches. In a world of service level agreements, how can a company do something unexpected, quirky and memorable to make the customer smile? Whether it be a handwritten note to the company’s most loyal customers, or a gift to say thanks to a customer for a referral. The gift will have a more profound impact on the customer if it’s delivered as a thoughtful surprise thank you later, rather than as a “referral incentive” up front.

Sign #3: A personal groove with customers

Question: “How do you personally connect with your customers?”

Have you ever seen the show “Undercover Boss” on CBS? It captures the essence of what’s wrong with most of corporate America. Many CEOs are disconnected from the realities of the front line, where their employees interact with customers every day.

Undercover boss Fernando Aguirre of Chiquita. (photo: Michael Yarish/CBS)

CEOs who are out on the front lines tend to have an special emotional connection with their customers –it’s a kinship, a bond, a love. It just feels different than a sterile company-to-customer interaction. Customer service-focused CEOs find lots of ways to interact directly with their customers and to nurture the relationship. They communicate and listen by blogging and tweeting, but they also find more direct ways to stay in touch.

Tim Westergren, the founder of Pandora, has built a deep groove with Pandora’s customers over the course of a decade. He personally answered all customer emails in the early years of the company. Now that Pandora has almost 50 million users, Tim can’t personally handle all of the customer email any more, but his customer-focused instincts ensure that Pandora still responds to every email that comes into the company with a personal response from a real live human. Tim also gets out from behind his keyboard by regularly organizing meet-ups where he travels to towns across the country to meet and directly connect with avid Pandora fans. Connecting directly and in-person with customers arms you with concrete stories that you can take back to your team to work on solving real problems.

Sign #4: The CEO channels the voice of the customer

Question: “Can you forward me a few of your recent all-company email updates?”

Many CEOs send out a regular email update to the whole company, perhaps once a month, as a way to share what’s on their mind and how things are going. It’s interesting to see what different CEOs choose to communicate in these emails. Some focus on the company’s strategy, creative marketing campaigns or financial performance. Customer-focused CEOs mostly write about the customer. They do this naturally—it’s what they really care about, and it’s also where they want their team to focus.

Redfin is an online real estate brokerage. Its CEO, Glenn Kelman, copies me and the rest of the company’s board of directors on his all-company email updates. Glenn is very focused on catching people doing good things and highlighting it when they do. His recent email included links to online videos of Redfin customer focus groups, followed by a quantitative report tracking Redfin’s Net Promoter Score (which captures the likelihood of Redfin’s customers to recommend the service to a friend). The next section of his email highlights quotes from customers sharing their experiences with Redfin’s agents.

Customer service-focused CEOs create a virtuous cycle by celebrating great stories from customers. Doing so inspires everyone in the company to do right by the customer. Glenn always seems to find quotes that are specific, interesting and energizing. A few recent gems:

“Sue is fantastic…I followed her on my scooter and didn’t feel judged at all!”

“It’s magnificent! I want to have sex with this Web site but I’m married!”

Of course, it feels good to be Sue or a member of the product team. Not only do you know that the customer deeply appreciates your work, but the CEO has broadcasted it to every one of your coworkers.

Sign #5: A “Moneyball” approach to service

Question: “How much do you invest each year in marketing? How much do you invest in customer service? Why?”

Marketing has been transformed over the past decade through the rise of the “Moneyball CMO”. It’s time that more companies took a Moneyball approach to customer service. Marketing investments aren’t made on faith today, but most customer service investments are, and that’s part of the problem. Marketing gets funded because there is an entire economy around measuring marketing’s impact on revenues. What if more companies did the same with customer service’s impact on revenues?

Contrary to popular belief, customer service is not a cost center like payroll processing or other non-strategic business functions. In those areas, the less spent, the better. Customer service should more properly be regarded as a strategic investment. If you’re building your business for the long term, you need to make the necessary investments to make your customer service great. Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh is quite eloquent on this topic. He says that companies should look at their customer service team as a form of marketing investment. Each customer contact is an opportunity to retain a customer, create positive word of mouth, and build the brand.

Most companies don’t give real consideration to the trade-offs of an incremental dollar spent on paid customer acquisition versus that same dollar spent on customer service. By not calculating this trade-off, many are dramatically under-investing in customer service. Some internet companies would be better off cutting back on their lowest performing marketing programs and staffing up more fully on customer service. As Bob Paquin, the former COO of Blue Nile said to me “leaders who don’t invest in customer service are dealing in a false economy.”

A customer service-focused CEO challenges his marketing and customer service leaders to see who can produce the best ROI. Let’s consider the following scenario. Say the fully loaded cost of a customer service rep is $50,000 per year. So ten reps would cost $500,000. What are ten high-performing customer service reps worth as a marketing and brand building investment? If the average rep can positively impact 25 customers per day, that would be over 60,000 positive customer interactions generated by this ten-person team over the course of a year. If each positively impacted customer spread the word to just two friends, then that would be 180,000 positively impacted customers, at an average cost of less than $3 per customer. Is that a worthwhile investment, relative to what $500,000 in paid marketing might generate? I’d guess in many situations that answer would be yes.

It’s rare to see a CEO who includes customer service metrics prominently in his core operating performance dashboard, alongside revenue, margin and customer counts. What is the success rate of resolving customer issues on the first in-bound call? What is the average response time to incoming emails? How long is the average phone customer put on hold? The average call hold time for U.S. businesses in 9.5 minutes. Ouch. Many other interesting stats can be found at the Get Satisfaction blog.

Credit: Get Satisfaction Blog

Sign #6: More focused on measures of customer quality versus customer quantity

Question: “How do you measure customer engagement?”

Some companies focus more on pumping up top-line stats as opposed to solidifying the experience for their core existing customers. It’s very tempting for the CEO to focus his attention on user growth metrics. It feels good to talk about the biggest numbers possible.

Customer-focused leaders are inclined to focus their attention on metrics that capture customer quality, and that ultimately drive more enduring value for the business. They know that it costs six-to-seven times as much to acquire a new customer as it does to keep an existing one.

When I first met with CEO Doug Mack to discuss the One King’s Lane business, I noticed that he was far more focused on the number of transacting customers and repeat transacting customers than he was the aggregate number of email subscribers.

Sign #7: Customer satisfaction drives team pay, starting with the CEO

Question: “How is customer satisfaction factored into your team’s compensation?”

An increasing number of companies are now capturing the net promoter score of their customers as an indication of satisfaction and likelihood to recommend. That’s a good thing.

But it’s rare to see a company that actually makes customer satisfaction measures a core part of how employees get paid. Real estate agents who work for Redfin are paid a bonus for each home purchase or sale that they facilitate. However the dollar amount of this bonus is paid on a sliding scale that goes up or down based upon the customer’s net promoter score. Agents are not paid at all if the customer is unhappy—even if a transaction closes. This compensation structure gives Redfin’s agents more incentive to stay focused on what’s best for the customer. This contrasts with traditional real estate brokerages who pay on a pure commission basis; the more you pay for the home the more your broker gets paid, whether he did a great job or not. Redfin also tracks the aggregate net promoter score of their customers, and this score ranks alongside revenue and profitability as a core factor in annual compensation from the CEO on down.

We should all strive to build hyper-scalable businesses, but not at the expense of ensuring a great experience for the customer. It is exciting to see more CEOs promoting world class customer service as a point of differentiation for their businesses. Those CEOs who back up their claim through their daily practices as leaders will have the best chance of building the next generation of great and enduring companies.

*Disclosure: Greylock Partners is an investor in Pandora, Redfin and One Kings Lane, and James Slavet represents Greylock on the boards of Redfin and One Kings Lane.
–James

James Slavet is a partner on the consumer technology team at Greylock Partners. James’ investments include Auditude, Groupon, High Gear Media, One Kings Lane, Redfin, Revision3 and TellApart.



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